Comments on: Primal Wild: Backpacking 80 Miles Through the North Cascades https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/ America’s Best Backpacking and Outdoor Adventures Wed, 27 Aug 2025 20:27:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-253941 Wed, 27 Aug 2025 20:27:11 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-253941 In reply to Eric.

Hi Eric,

It’s a great trip and a wonderful tour of the North Cascades.

With a subscription to The Big Outside, you get full access to all of my blog’s stories, including the trip planner section at the bottom of stories, including this one, where I share details of the itinerary and other logistics and tips on planning this trip.

I also offer Custom Trip Planning, where I’ll help you plan this or any trip you read about at my blog, including a digital map I’d draw for you, if you’d like.

I hope one of those options is helpful to you. Keep in touch.

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By: Eric https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-253940 Wed, 27 Aug 2025 19:22:18 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-253940 I would love to see a map of your route for this 80 mile trek in the North Cascades. I’ve been wanting to do an extended trip there for years and just struggle to come up with a long enough, challenging enough, and remote enough route. I loved reading this article and would love to do this same trip. Thanks!

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By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-250361 Mon, 29 Jul 2024 16:05:25 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-250361 In reply to Nina rapaport.

Hi Nina,

Yes, thanks for asking. That’s because this story, like many at my blog, is partly free for anyone to read but requires a paid subscription to The Big Outside to read in full. A subscription gives you full access to all of my blog’s stories, including the trip planner section in stories about specific trips (like this story), where I share details of the itinerary and other logistics and tips on planning that trip. I also offer Custom Trip Planning, where I’ll help you plan this or any trip you read about at my blog. I hope one of those options is helpful to you. Thank you.

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By: Nina rapaport https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-250357 Mon, 29 Jul 2024 04:48:31 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-250357 Do you mention what route you took? Did your trail have an established name? If so, what was it?

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By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-248354 Mon, 04 Mar 2024 16:59:26 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-248354 In reply to Maxwell E.

And you have clearly done your research, Maxwell! The St. Elias Range is no surprise to me and the specific location must simply have greater orographic lift favorability than neighboring spots. The Southern Patagonian ice cap seems another obvious location for abundant snowfall. It’s interesting to contemplate this data, I think, but I tend to geek out on this stuff. Thanks for sharing all of it.

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By: Maxwell E https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-248340 Mon, 04 Mar 2024 01:13:11 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-248340 In reply to Michael Lanza.

Hey Michael,

Thanks for getting back to me here and via email, I really appreciate it.

I have to say, you know your stuff vis-a-vis conditions for maximal snowfall! I’ve done a lot of research on exactly this subject, and based off of the most detailed gridded snowfall models we have (the best is PRISM, a product of the NW Allliance for Computational Science and Engineering out of OSU) the snowiest single spot in North America is probably the south Saint Elias range. PRISM specifically identifies Mt. Crillon, but I suspect it’s Mt. Fairweather — either way, estimates for annual snowfall here are in the range of 3-4x that of Mt. Baker.
There are other good candidates, including high on the Southern Patagonian Ice Cap. Each of these locations gets much stronger prevailing winds and has significantly more available moisture to fuel massive orographic lift. I’d love to get a weather station out to each of these areas someday.
Keep on keeping on,
Maxwell

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By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-248193 Thu, 29 Feb 2024 12:37:14 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-248193 In reply to Maxwell E.

Hi Maxwell,

You make two good points. Yes, the presence of grizzlies in the North Cascades is debatable and we might reasonably expect that there would be credible, verifiable sightings periodically if that were the case. But as has been the case with the extirpation of grizzlies and other species in mountain ranges around the U.S. for a century or more, the final word often cannot be issued for years. The jury seems to still be out on that, even though the fate of the grizzly in the North Cascades seems grim without governmental action to reintroduce it.

Yes, it’s true that Mount Baker’s record is for a competition between weather stations and there are many points on Earth where we do not know the annual snowfall. However, weather data is sufficiently prevalent around the globe that we have a very good idea of snowfall totals in most of the world and there seem to be very few regions, if any, that compare for annual snowfall totals over long periods of time with the Sierra and Cascade ranges of the U.S. West Coast and the Coast Mountains of western Canada and Southeast Alaska, thanks to the combination of an enormous ocean carrying large volumes of moisture to those mountains, the effects of orographic lift, and sufficiently cold temperatures for long winters (at least, for now, although that’s obviously changing rapidly). Many of the coldest parts of the world—the Arctic and Antarctic and many of the highest mountain ranges—are deserts or arid regions without huge snowfall amounts.

The real question is whether Mount Baker deserves specific recognition as the epicenter of huge snowfalls or another specific location somewhere in that long divide of mountain ranges stretching along the west coast of North America. But the data does tell us to expect a lot of snow throughout those mountains at higher elevations—for as long as it lasts at the rate that climate change is reshaping the planet.

Thanks for the comment.

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By: Maxwell E https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-248166 Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:31:14 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-248166 This is a fantastic taste of what the North Cascades has to offer. I just wanted to offer a couple tweaks — it’s the official position of the F.S. and NPS that the North Cascades doesn’t currently have any population of grizzly bears (meaning that the famed 2010 photo is thought to be of a large black bear with a distinct hump). I am not personally certain as to whether I believe them or the panel of wildlife biologists that decided it probably was a grizzly, but it’s useful context.

Also, I’d love for more coverage of the Baker annual snowfall record to mention that it is likely far from the snowiest locale on Earth; there are dozens of incredibly remote spots around the world that may have annual snowfall multiple times that of Mt. Baker. It would be more accurate to say that Baker has the record for the “Earth’s snowiest weather station.” This is definitely a nitpick, as it’s an extremely common mistake, just a pet peeve of mine 🙂

Either way, you have me raring to visit every possible site in the North Cascades.

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By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-229396 Sat, 12 Feb 2022 02:33:13 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-229396 In reply to Adam.

Adam, I’m quite sure you’ll be very happy you decided to go to the North Cascades and I’d be happy to help you figure out the best route to hike there. See my Custom Trip Planning page and get in touch if you’d like. Thanks.

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By: Adam https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-229387 Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:28:24 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-229387 I was 100% going pre-read. I’m now 1,000% headed there. Look forward to possibly hiring the custom planning/ brainstorm service:)
Cheers!

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By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-222758 Sat, 20 Nov 2021 13:51:04 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-222758 In reply to Kevin.

Thanks Kevin, and yes, the North Cascades are a treasure.

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By: Kevin https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-222668 Sat, 20 Nov 2021 05:56:46 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-222668 Well written. Your words took me to the Park. That place is such a treasure of our Great State.

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By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-195675 Fri, 15 Jan 2021 14:23:47 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-195675 In reply to Stephen Wampler.

Thanks for sharing that story, Stephen. I’m not surprised that was the greatest trip of your life.

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By: Stephen Wampler https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-195610 Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:07:50 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-195610 Thanks! This brings back a lot of memories. I was in a NOLS class that hiked 32 days crossing a very long stretch of the same area you went through in the North Cascades. Greatest trip in my life.

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By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-188209 Thu, 17 Dec 2020 12:12:52 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-188209 In reply to Doug Daniel.

Thanks for asking, Doug, but I don’t have plans to publish an e-guide to this specific backpacking trip. However, with a subscription to The Big Outside, you get full access to all of my blog’s stories, including the trip planner section at the bottom of stories like this one, where I share details of the itinerary and other logistics and tips on planning this trip. I also offer Custom Trip Planning, where I’ll help you plan this or any trip you read about at my blog.

I hope one of those options is helpful to you. Keep in touch.

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By: Doug Daniel https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-188109 Thu, 17 Dec 2020 01:09:25 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-188109 In reply to Michael Lanza.

I didn’t see an Eguide for this area. Are you planning to make one?

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By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-188014 Wed, 16 Dec 2020 16:39:34 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-188014 In reply to Doug Daniel.

Yes, Doug, I agree that’s a beautiful road. I’ve always felt the North Cascades is one of those mountain ranges that can be difficult to fully see and appreciate from the road, so dayhiking or backpacking into it really gives you a more complete experience. Do it. Thanks for the comment.

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By: Doug Daniel https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-187717 Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:15:45 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-187717 I’ve driven the 20 through this area. It was beautiful. Would love to backpack it some day. Thanks for the article.

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By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-171633 Mon, 05 Oct 2020 12:16:02 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-171633 In reply to Dustin M Graves.

Thanks, Dustin. I hope you get to check the North Cascades on your bucket list soon. If you’d like my help planning that trip, to make sure you have the best experience possible, see my Custom Trip Planning to learn how I can do that for you.

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By: Dustin M Graves https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-171545 Mon, 05 Oct 2020 06:20:38 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-171545 I really enjoyed your story. I’m actually sitting in a hotel in Estes Park Colorado and just finished reading it. Thanks for the great description of North Cascades NP. It’s been on my bucket list from the time first stepped foot in the mountains.
Thanks

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By: Anonymous https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-125985 Sat, 15 Feb 2020 18:44:03 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-125985 5

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By: Michael Lanza https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-104085 Wed, 04 Oct 2017 01:18:30 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-104085 In reply to Bob Klann.

Thanks, Bob. I can help you plan one if you’d like. https://thebigoutsideblog.com/ask-me/

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By: Bob Klann https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-104084 Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:06:23 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-104084 Gorgeous photos and amazing story. I’m jealous. I need a great backpacking adventure just my wife and I, very soon.

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By: Ashley https://thebigoutsideblog.com/primal-wild-backpacking-80-miles-through-the-north-cascades/#comment-104083 Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:31:42 +0000 https://thebigoutsideblog.com/?p=25014#comment-104083 Thanks for writing, I really enjoy your posts and especially the longer-form ones. The Cascades are so lush, and what incredible views – I can see why it’s one of your favorite parks! I didn’t realize how remote and rugged they were. Quite the challenging itinerary for backpacking!

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